I have to ask: so how come Opera 6 is still busted?
If MS just served Opera the same code as they served IE, and it didn't work, I'd be happy(ish). But it's been demonstrated that Opera can handle the IE version perfectly. So why are MS explicitly detecting Opera and sending it different (crappy) code?
Like I said, I've seen mozilla caught in the same trap. Now, there are parts of MSDN that don't work in Moz because they use ActiveX. Fair enough. But there are also parts of MSDN that don't work in moz because they're being given different HTML from what IE gets. The IE version works fine in Moz and when mozilla.org or Netscape contact MS, they get the brush off, or "we'll fix it in the next rewrite", followed by silence.
I see a lot of cruddy HTML and browser detection when I'm triaging bugs in bugzilla. Some of them are just dumb coders. Some of them are pages that were written 4 years ago and never updated. Some are pages that have been explicitly designed to only work in 1/2 browsers, and damn the rest.
Remember MS's lockout of non-IE/Netscape browsers from Passport? That looked like a plain dumb screwup. But this one looks to be very deliberate, and carefully-aimed.
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Date: 2003-03-16 16:01 (UTC)If MS just served Opera the same code as they served IE, and it didn't work, I'd be happy(ish). But it's been demonstrated that Opera can handle the IE version perfectly. So why are MS explicitly detecting Opera and sending it different (crappy) code?
Like I said, I've seen mozilla caught in the same trap. Now, there are parts of MSDN that don't work in Moz because they use ActiveX. Fair enough. But there are also parts of MSDN that don't work in moz because they're being given different HTML from what IE gets. The IE version works fine in Moz and when mozilla.org or Netscape contact MS, they get the brush off, or "we'll fix it in the next rewrite", followed by silence.
I see a lot of cruddy HTML and browser detection when I'm triaging bugs in bugzilla. Some of them are just dumb coders. Some of them are pages that were written 4 years ago and never updated. Some are pages that have been explicitly designed to only work in 1/2 browsers, and damn the rest.
Remember MS's lockout of non-IE/Netscape browsers from Passport? That looked like a plain dumb screwup. But this one looks to be very deliberate, and carefully-aimed.